From paaris at assembly.org  Thu Jun  3 18:39:46 2010
From: paaris at assembly.org (Jimmy Turunen)
Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:39:46 +0300
Subject: [ASM scene] Updated compo rules for ASSEMBLY Summer 2010
Message-ID: <4C07CCC2.1030004@assembly.org>

Hello everyone! I'm Paaris/trilobit and I'm the new ASSEMBLY CompoCrew
Function Head.

The rules for ASSEMBLY Summer 2010 are now published at the ASSEMBLY 
website http://www.assembly.org/

We did a couple of rule changes from the previous year.

* Extreme graphics compo was changed to executable graphics. Same size 
limit 4k for desktop and oldskool platforms.

* Extreme music compo was changed to executable music. No Protracked 
modules allowed.

* Desktop compo machine specs were updated: Windows 7 (32 bit) and 
resolution 1280x760p60 must be supported.

* Oldkool platforms were updated: PCs up to 80486dx/33 and similar first 
486 processors shipped in 1991 and Amigas up to Amiga 3000 (ECS + 030)

If you have any questions for the CompoCrew, feel free to send your 
questions to compos2010 [at] assembly.org

I hope I will see lot's of quality entrys at the party!

-- 
Jimmy "Paaris" Turunen
ASSEMBLY CompoCrew Function Head

From mikron at iki.fi  Thu Jun  3 22:16:36 2010
From: mikron at iki.fi (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Mika_Hyv=F6nen?=)
Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 22:16:36 +0300
Subject: [ASM scene] Updated compo rules for ASSEMBLY Summer 2010
In-Reply-To: <4C07CCC2.1030004@assembly.org>
References: <4C07CCC2.1030004@assembly.org>
Message-ID: <4359CDE599A84F45975DEA12D5E490DF@Olvi>

Moi.

Nopein 486 prosessori joka shipattiin 1991 puolella on dx50 (ei pid? 
sekoittaaa dx2-50), t?m? on sen koneen cpu jolla me ollaan nyt demoja pari 
vuotta tehty. Joudutaanko downgradeamaan ?

Onhan GUS viel? sallittu , kuten viime vuonna?

mikron

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From: "Jimmy Turunen" <paaris at assembly.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:39 PM
To: <oldskool-list at assembly.org>
Subject: [ASM scene] Updated compo rules for ASSEMBLY Summer 2010

> Hello everyone! I'm Paaris/trilobit and I'm the new ASSEMBLY CompoCrew
> Function Head.
>
> The rules for ASSEMBLY Summer 2010 are now published at the ASSEMBLY 
> website http://www.assembly.org/
>
> We did a couple of rule changes from the previous year.
>
> * Extreme graphics compo was changed to executable graphics. Same size 
> limit 4k for desktop and oldskool platforms.
>
> * Extreme music compo was changed to executable music. No Protracked 
> modules allowed.
>
> * Desktop compo machine specs were updated: Windows 7 (32 bit) and 
> resolution 1280x760p60 must be supported.
>
> * Oldkool platforms were updated: PCs up to 80486dx/33 and similar first 
> 486 processors shipped in 1991 and Amigas up to Amiga 3000 (ECS + 030)
>
> If you have any questions for the CompoCrew, feel free to send your 
> questions to compos2010 [at] assembly.org
>
> I hope I will see lot's of quality entrys at the party!
>
> -- 
> Jimmy "Paaris" Turunen
> ASSEMBLY CompoCrew Function Head
> _______________________________________________
> Oldskool-list mailing list
> Oldskool-list at assembly.org
> http://justiina.assembly.org/mailman/listinfo/oldskool-list
> 

From phalin at abo.fi  Fri Jun  4 09:45:45 2010
From: phalin at abo.fi (Peter Halin UPR)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 09:45:45 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [ASM scene] Updated compo rules for ASSEMBLY Summer 2010
In-Reply-To: <4C07CCC2.1030004@assembly.org>
References: <4C07CCC2.1030004@assembly.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1006040944380.29424@tuxedo.abo.fi>


> * Oldkool platforms were updated: PCs up to 80486dx/33 and similar first 486 
> processors shipped in 1991 and Amigas up to Amiga 3000 (ECS + 030)

Shouldn't a 040 be allowed for the Amiga on the same grounds as GUS for 
the PC (both have been prototyped in 91)? :)

/ Britelite

From vjouppi at sci.fi  Fri Jun  4 10:32:22 2010
From: vjouppi at sci.fi (Ville Jouppi)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:32:22 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [ASM scene] Updated compo rules for ASSEMBLY Summer 2010
In-Reply-To: <4359CDE599A84F45975DEA12D5E490DF@Olvi>
References: <4C07CCC2.1030004@assembly.org>
	<4359CDE599A84F45975DEA12D5E490DF@Olvi>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1006041031420.9286@meloni.arabuusimiehet.com>

On Thu, 3 Jun 2010, Mika Hyv?nen wrote:

> Moi.
>
> Nopein 486 prosessori joka shipattiin 1991 puolella on dx50 (ei pid? 
> sekoittaaa dx2-50), t?m? on sen koneen cpu jolla me ollaan nyt demoja pari 
> vuotta tehty. Joudutaanko downgradeamaan ?

Ette, korjattu webiin.

> Onhan GUS viel? sallittu , kuten viime vuonna?

On. Mielell?ni n?kisin tosin uudestaan noita todisteita sen olemassaolosta 
1991.
-- 
Ville Jouppi
Sysadmin without a cause
Mail: vjouppi at sci.fi Web: http://jope.fi/ IRCNet: Jope

From vjouppi at sci.fi  Fri Jun  4 10:33:36 2010
From: vjouppi at sci.fi (Ville Jouppi)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:33:36 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [ASM scene] Updated compo rules for ASSEMBLY Summer 2010
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1006040944380.29424@tuxedo.abo.fi>
References: <4C07CCC2.1030004@assembly.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1006040944380.29424@tuxedo.abo.fi>
Message-ID: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1006041032480.9286@meloni.arabuusimiehet.com>

On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Peter Halin UPR wrote:

>
>> * Oldkool platforms were updated: PCs up to 80486dx/33 and similar first 
>> 486 processors shipped in 1991 and Amigas up to Amiga 3000 (ECS + 030)
>
> Shouldn't a 040 be allowed for the Amiga on the same grounds as GUS for the 
> PC (both have been prototyped in 91)? :)

Well when the Byterapers guys weaseled the GUS in, they at least had the
reason that it was for sale as a PC ISA card in 1991.

Finding the limits of oldskool is part of the compo. We have set a year 
limit, which is the end of 1991 and it is up to you guys to find what is 
the best hw for that time and present some kind of proof behind your 
reasoning.

Naturally all proof can be faked and I'm not a forensics expert, neither 
do I have the wish to be one.

Having been around in the scene for quite some time, I am fully aware that 
cheating and faking is preferred to an honest competition. I have limited 
resources with which to verify your claims, so if it seems plausible 
enough, the hardware is let in.

Brite, you have been a long time contributor and are quite aware of the
problems related to the oldskool competition at Assembly. "Leave it alone"
is not an acceptable hint here, because basically it has been left alone..

The time limit rule is quite clear. If someone (Eemu) took the time to 
make a word document a few pages long, with reasoning behind his findings 
about what was the best PC in the end of 1991, then what do you know, I 
have no option but to let that hw compete.

If you had a different idea what was best in 1991, you can of course 
contest Bera's findings with alternate proof. The document is available 
upon request.

I'm digging your trolling hook from my cheek as I type, I saw what you did 
there, make no mistake. However since I want this to be a proper 
discussion, I felt the need to actually discuss it instead of shooting 
back some snide one-liner.

-- 
Ville Jouppi
Sysadmin without a cause
Mail: vjouppi at sci.fi Web: http://jope.fi/ IRCNet: Jope

From phalin at abo.fi  Fri Jun  4 10:45:23 2010
From: phalin at abo.fi (Peter Halin UPR)
Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:45:23 +0300 (EEST)
Subject: [ASM scene] Updated compo rules for ASSEMBLY Summer 2010
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LNX.2.00.1006041032480.9286@meloni.arabuusimiehet.com>
References: <4C07CCC2.1030004@assembly.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.1006040944380.29424@tuxedo.abo.fi>
	<alpine.LNX.2.00.1006041032480.9286@meloni.arabuusimiehet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1006041043220.3371@tuxedo.abo.fi>


> Well when the Byterapers guys weaseled the GUS in, they at least had the
> reason that it was for sale as a PC ISA card in 1991.

> If you had a different idea what was best in 1991, you can of course contest 
> Bera's findings with alternate proof. The document is available upon request.

Actually, I never saw any proof of that the GUS was actually for sale in 
1991, only that they found some revision from that year.

But yeah, you're indeed right, I wasn't being completely serious with my 
question about the 040 ;)

/ Britelite

From Jussi.Laakkonen at assembly.org  Wed Jun 30 09:18:08 2010
From: Jussi.Laakkonen at assembly.org (Jussi Laakkonen)
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 09:18:08 +0300
Subject: [ASM scene] Spanish + Seminar = free flights to ASM!
Message-ID: <4C2AE1A0.3060701@assembly.org>

Hi,

   we are working with the Spanish Embassy here in Finland and they've 
agreed to sponsor the travel expenses for 1-2 speakers to ASSEMBLY seminars.

   I've reached out to a few folks I knew but unfortunately the timings 
didn't quite work out. So if you want to bring a bit of the Spanish 
demoscene to ASM and have an interesting topic to share in our seminars 
OR if you have a tip about someone we should definitely get from Spain, 
please drop me an email!


-- 
Jussi Laakkonen            partner, co-founder ASSEMBLY Organizing
Abyss // ASMORG & FC       www.assembly.org
mobile +358-40-582 3959    mail PL 160, 00381 Helsinki, Finland